THE MORNING SHOW with Patrick Timpone
Dr. Jonathan Wright
Patrick: Well now that we’ve got that settled good morning. This is Patrick Timpone and this is OneRadioNetwork.com broadcasting live every morning 10:00 a.m. Central Time. I have a little special program for you this morning that I know you’re going to like. We’re not exactly live but I’m as live as I can be sitting here in my Palatial Studios in Dripping Springs. But the good doctor wasn’t available when we are live but we got him anyway. It took a little while but he’s a good one. He’s really well-known around the natural healing community. He is an MD we won’t hold that against him.
His name is Dr. Jonathan Wright. He trained early on at Harvard then onto University of Michigan Medical School there. While guys were landing on the moon maybe he was graduating from medical school and he’s written about 11 books. And he’s up there in the Tahoma Clinic in Renton, Washington. Is that how you say it Dr. Jonathan Wright Tahoma?
Dr. Wright: Well that’s how it’s said out here in the Northwest I don’t know about yall down there in Texas.
Patrick: Yall down here. Dr. Jonathan Wright, good morning. How are you sir?
Dr. Wright: Well good morning to you too and thanks for inviting me to be on your show even though we’re both, well not live and we’re not dead, what do you call that?
Patrick: I don’t know what it is Doc I think we’re just kind of in between. Well you’re quite a scientist aren’t you? What kind of things do you do to try to figure out what is really going on in this world of health? A lot of people write books and just make up stuff. Do you just make stuff up?
Dr. Wright: Well no. I even went out and have a trademark on the phrase copy mentor. And I tell everybody I’m not terribly original I just try to figure out as good as I can what the original blueprints doing, namely either nature if we believe in nature and evolution or creation if we believe in that, it’s the same blueprint either way. And so I try to figure out what that original blueprint is doing for human health and then copy the heck out of it. So I get to be an incredibly good copycat and you know the better I copy what the original blueprint is doing both in natural substance and natural energies in our bodies the better I do for the folks I work with.
Patrick: Do you think if we can start at the very beginning, do you think that we’ve evolved over millions and millions of years?
Dr. Wright: Well if I take a look at Washington D&C…
Patrick: Yeah well.
Dr. Wright: …I’d have to say, I don’t know we’ve regressed.
Dr. Wright: Come on guys. But to get at your question I don’t know I just really don’t know. And there’s a lot of arguments in both directions and I just say heck with the arguments let’s just go with the blueprint we got.
Patrick: Well your two latest books that you all were kind enough to send me that I really think is cool “Why Stomach Acid is Good For You” and also “The Natural Hormone Replacement for Women over 45”, two of your favorite things to talk about, or what you like to talk about and done a lot of research. Your Web site is also – let’s see where am I going to find it here is it Tahoma Clinic?
Dr. Wright: Yeah www.tahomaclinic.com. We’ve got some articles and excerpts pointed on the Web site but I got to admit I’m not a web wiz.
Dr. Wright: So it’s not a real jazzy one.
Patrick: So let’s talk about this stomach acid thing it’s so curious. I mean half the, well it seems like half I think it’s a $4 billion dollar industry. You may correct me on the Nexiums and the other anti-acids. And this stomach acid is certainly necessary for us to get after our food right. Well why is it that so many Americans have not enough stomach acid that you write about in your book?
Dr. Wright: Well one reason is real simple I think you got it too it’s called we’re all getting older. Now that’s not the only reason but let’s cover this one first. Back in the 1930s some researchers at the Mayo Clinic – and those people are on alternative medicine are they – did some research with people at different decades of life people in their teens, twenties, thirties, forties, etc all the way up to eighties. And they got enough of them so it made some difference statistically. And what they found they pumped people’s stomachs at that point.
Now when you check people for stomach acid these days unless we haven’t figured out a better way, which somebody over in Germany did in the 1970s and that technology’s been important here. Unless we figured out a better way we’re still pumping people’s stomachs out and measure the acidity. And what they found is while the average teenager had you would expect a whole bunch of normal acidity, we all know the average teenager can digest all contents of the refrigerator with no problem.
Dr. Wright: But by the time we all get to be 60 just about half of us are making a suboptimal, I didn’t say no acid but I did say a suboptimal amount of acid in the stomach. And by the time we’re 80 why it’s definitely over 50%. Now look what’s new? We get older some of us get grey hair some of us get no hair, we get older we can’t run as fast, we get older many of us need reading glasses. Okay things get older they slow down.
Now why these silly, silly, silly, silly patent medicine companies have been promoting the ideas for years, although you’ll notice they’ve dropped some of this terminology in the last few this idea of acid indigestion, too much stomach acid. And telling us we have too much stomach acid when we’re 50 and 60 compared to when we were 16 and 20 and the Mayo Clinic says otherwise, why do we let them get away with that? Well of course its old patent medicine that’s no question. But now you notice we’re not talking about acid indigestion they left out the word acid and they’ve changed the terminology to Gastroesophageal Reflux.
Patrick: Oh I see they changed the name.
Dr. Wright: Oh yeah.
Patrick: Kind of like going from global warming to climate change.
Dr. Wright: There you are. Speaking of climate change I just love that climate change in D&C. Why those that federalist back there can’t get anything done while the climate change is going on and that’s good for all of us.
Patrick: Well we’ve been getting it’s no jobs for years there so it’s no different Doc.
Dr. Wright: Well I like this no job better actually.
Dr. Wright: Okay.
Patrick: So the low asset doesn’t allow us to digest our food and that produces something else that’s diagnosed at low stomach acid.
Dr. Wright: Okay here’s how it goes. There’s a valve that separates the esophagus from the stomach. When we’re younger and let’s say we’re in our teens or twenties and we eat that big old lunch, while it plops through that valve and into the stomach. You know what, when you’re young the valve is strong it kind of snaps shut. Okay there’s another thing about snapping that valve shut that valve is sensitive to acid. Interesting engineering makes sense though.
Dr. Wright: And when our stomach starts putting out a lot of acid why that’s one of the factors that help it to snap shut.
Patrick: Oh I see so it doesn’t come up.
Dr. Wright: Yeah so food can’t come back up.
Dr. Wright: And so we can have a teenager strong stomach acid down their stomach digesting 13 hamburgers or however many we just ate at the contest. We might feel a little erppy but we don’t get heartburn because that valve’s shut. But if that valve doesn’t shut for several reasons and low stomach acid is one of them. Then even though there’s less acid than there should be in our stomachs it’s still allowed to come back up through the valve. Remember it takes strong acid to work that mechanism, it comes back up and, what do you know it doesn’t belong in the esophagus so it burns.
Dr. Wright: And when I first started working with this back in the 70s after the German technology came out people would come on in and they’d say “Well let’s see I got this acid indigestion” because remember it was called that back then.
Dr. Wright: And I got this acid indigestion so the doctor told me I had too much stomach acid and he told I got to take anti-assets. And of course later on it was acid blocking medication and I had asked one question and I’m still asking that question Patrick and I’m getting the same answer to this day, I asked “Did the doctor actually measure your stomach acid?” No. And that was in 1970s and I haven’t had a yes answer to do this and its 35, 40 years later.
Patrick: They’re just assuming there’s too much acid.
Dr. Wright: They just assume.
Dr. Wright: Its knee jerk and you just ride out this thing to do an acid blocker. So I said look here what can measure your stomach acid? How are you going to do that? So I explained the German technology, high tech technology which involves nothing more than little caps, although which has in it a pitch or an acid alkalosis electrode. Add a little tiny radio transmitter and that pops down the stomach and signal goes over this computer screen it tells it exactly down the stomach.
Anyway we check it with that and the majority of people with this thing called Heartburn the tests come back uh-uh not enough acid down there. So I’ll tell them well you’re one of the many with not enough acid down there, here take these hydrochloric acid capsules with meals start with just one build up slowly, and make sure it’s okay for you. People say “Excuse me I got hyper infinity I’ve been told…
Patrick: I don’t want to take any acid.
Dr. Wright: …and you’re telling me to take more acid.”
Patrick: What are you crazy?
Dr. Wright: Yeah. And I explain, well here’s what’s going on and I go over the acid and the valve and all that. And some people do I say “Look if you’re scared keep some bicarbonate by the side and just take one pill and put out fire with bicarbonate it won’t hurt you any.”
Dr. Wright: And they do and they respond back and say “I never would have believed that taking acids would solve my – and remember at the time the terminology was acid indigestion – and now they’re saying of course the Gastroesophageal Reflux Disease because companies did wise up and go away from the term acid…
Dr. Wright: …but they just made up another term to sell pills.
Patrick: So then if you say that some people, Dr. Wright, cannot handle the Betaine HCL?
Dr. Wright: Very few. Those are the people that had so little acids for slow long that their stomachs aren’t accustomed to it.
Dr. Wright: It’s just like in another book that mentioned we talk about the poor ladies who after menopause, ooh it hurts to have sex and it didn’t used to, what’s going on? And that’s because the lining of the vaginal area there is so atrophied because of lack of estrogen.
Patrick: Can I get you to speak up Doc a little bit?
Dr. Wright: Yeah.
Dr. Wright: That’s because the lining of that area is so atrophied because of lack of estrogen that it really hurts. Or another example would be let’s say we busted our leg and have to have it in a cast for six weeks, after we come out of that cast are we going to try to run hard right away? Uh-uh the leg can’t handle it. So a few people need the acid but can’t handle it, but most of the people who need the acid they can handle it. In fact over 95% who need it can handle it and they take that with meals and they quit having heartburn; it’s the darndest thing.
Patrick: Is there a test using the Betaine that people can take to see where they might be on this whole spectrum?
Dr. Wright: Yes people remember that if they can’t tolerate the hydrochloric acid it does not necessarily mean that they don’t need it.
Dr. Wright: And people remember that. Then they can interpret how they do properly and that is yeah a person can keep that box of bicarbonate handy. Because of course bicarbonate sodium water is real alkaline and it counters acid and it puts out the fire right away if there is a fire. I say a person can do that they can take those Betaine Hydrochloric Acid capsule carefully, just take one with a mean, just one to start with. And if that doesn’t help anything I wouldn’t be surprised because it usually takes two or three to help. Do that one with a meal for maybe two or three days and then, okay that wasn’t the problem let’s try two, and okay that wasn’t the problem try three, and keep that bicarb handy just in case there ever is a problem.
Patrick: I see.
Dr. Wright: By the way, people very rarely run into problems but they should. And by the time we get to two or three if we need this stuff oh my indigestion is starting to feel better. Now remember there is that exception the person who get the burning and they really do need it. Those people need to go check with a doctor and say “Hey, do I or don’t I need this stuff? Run the test on me please.”
Patrick: I see. So then it’s just going to have to be a trial and success modality to wean themselves off of the acid blockers.
Dr. Wright: Yeah and you got to be off your acid blocker first.
Patrick: Oh you do.
Dr. Wright: Yeah because really a couple of things antacid blocker the ones that are made today are so blanking successful they cut off 100% of all the acidity which leads us to I hope the next part of the discussion here and that is some of the most tired out warn out sickest people I see are people who’ve been on Prozac or Nexium or Acifax, or whatever that stuff’s called, it goes under different names and of course it’s different molecules because each patent medicine company has to have its own molecule to patent. And it just shuts off that acid so bad that protein doesn’t digest properly into amino acids.
Now remember there’s eight amino acids that we have to get from our diets, our bodies can’t make them. Our bodies can take those eight and make all the other ones but there’s eight essential amino acids that must be digesting our protein. Number 2 there’s about, depending on whose counting it, 12 to 14 minerals that can’t be busted out of what w would call the organic matrix or the iron that’s bound up in the meat and potassium is bound up in the vegetables and all that stuff, and without the acid aided by Pepcid, actually it’s the Pepcid aided by acid because the Pepcid is the protein digesting enzyme in the presence of acid many of those minerals don’t come piling out of the food like they ought to.
And so we have, let’s see, eight essential amino acids in about 12 to 14 minerals. And then it’s been show by other researchers that folic that particular vitamin which is sometimes called Folic Acid but we’re trying to all call it Folic because that’s the active form. And Vitamin B12 they don’t get in good either if we don’t have a normally functioning stomach. So if we add it up we got amino acids 12 to 14 minerals and we’re up to 20 to 22 and B12 and Folic which is another two. So we’re up to 22 to 24 potential nutrients out of a total of potential nutrients of50 to 60 we’re up to over a third of them that may or may not get into us. My goodness.
Patrick: That’s not good.
Dr. Wright: That’s not good. And so if we take those acid blocker things on a steady basis, because either we feel like we should or some doctor told us to, that’s called How to Develop Malnutrition.
Patrick: Ah I see. What about the folks then that need the acid and can’t handle the HCL what do they do?
Dr. Wright: They just work with a doctor who is both skilled and knowledgeable in nutritional medicine who can give them a list of things to take, and it usually does take about six to eight weeks, that help to strengthen that lining of the stomach so that they now can handle the hydrochloric if they need it.
Now I’m not going to tell you that everybody who has Gastroesophageal Reflux Disease, everybody who has that needs acid, nope it’s the majority but it’s not everybody. And another major cause of Gastroesophageal Reflux Disease is allergy and allergy to what’re putting in our stomachs. I had one gentleman who a couple or three years ago amazed himself by getting rid of 20 years of heartburn by just going off all the milk and dairy.
Dr. Wright: And that was that it was gone. We have other people who are reactors to a whole diversity of things. I talked to somebody last week who found out he had to keep his alcohol consumption way down or he got heartburn but if you did that no mare heartburn. A lot of people it’s coffee. Many of the common food allergens corn, a lot of things will trigger this reflux. They somehow interfere with the closing of that valve and so the acid can come back through. So it’s not just the one thing the low stomach acid that is the majority of the case and that’s the one that the patent medicine companies would love us to overlook because my goodness their $6 million dollar market would dry up.
Patrick: Yeah. For our listeners who do not have stomach acid issues but they want to continue to build up the integrity of their gut crew rather or not they’re 40, 50 or 60, what are some things that really will do that? What are some foods or nutrients that the body is going to like to build up the whole gut integrity so it’ll just do better not be as allergic and digest more food?
Dr. Wright: Well I can tell you about three of them and you being from Texas and all how about aloe Vera.
Patrick: Aloe Vera. Yeah I know you’re a D’Mannose, I saw it on your site you’re a D’Mannose guy aren’t you? Yeah.
Dr. Wright: Well that too yeah.
Patrick: But isn’t that part of aloe Doc?
Dr. Wright: Oh a little part sure.
Dr. Wright: But it’s the whole underline organic Aloe Vera juice or gel whichever you prefer.
Dr. Wright: And if we have people use the preferable shot glass of that stuff, I mean shot glasses got to be good for something don’t they well let’s put some Aloe Vera juice in there or let’s put the gel in there. And if we swallow that down, particularly on an empty stomach…
Dr. Wright: …so it has time to coat the lining of the stomach and make friends with it and then slide on through the intestines without a whole lot of food around well that way it has its maximum healing power up and down the gut. And there’s some really good university studies, from Texas where else, that show aloe is real good over time for keeping the gut healthy unless we’re one of the very few people, it’s rare but it happens, who’s allergic to aloe but other than that there’s just no harm done and it does a lot of good. And if we want to really make use of it a shot glass on an empty stomach once a day or even better twice a day and then if our guts are feeling better maybe back to once a day. So that’s one.
Patrick: Yeah that’s an easy one to right.
Dr. Wright: That’s an easy way is right.
Dr. Wright: And all you need is a shot glass to put it to better purpose. All right now the Number 1 nutrient that helps to power the upper intestines all the way down to the colon, so the stomach, the [inaudible 19:09] the rest of the intestine all the way down to the large intestine happens to be glutamine.
Dr. Wright: Yeah. Now some surgeons discovered they were first that if they had people on what they called Total Perennial Nutrition. In other words they had gut surgeon and they couldn’t let them eat anything. And they tried to feed them as good as they could through the IV while the guts kept falling apart internally and deteriorating and not working right until they figured out that if they put glutamine into the IV bang the problem went away.
And going from there it was found out that the Number 1 energy source for the cells that line the upper part of the good is this stuff called Glutamine. So some people take advantage of that and if their guts aren’t working right and they can’t figure out what else it might be, oh my goodness there’s so many things it could be. It could be lack of acid in the stomach, it could be we need digestive enzymes, a lot of times if we’re allergic to some things that we’re eating, and I have to underline some things because we’re never allergic to just one thing if we’re allergic in the first place.
Well if it’s none of that then people are just, or at least I don’t think so, and they’re working on let’s make my gut healthy. There’s companies out there sell glutamine in capsules but there’s also companies that sell glutamine in a powder in a jar because it’s cheaper if you don’t have to put it in a capsule. And that way a person can work themselves up to 2, 4, 6, 8 grams a day, it does not hurt a thing and yes it can sometimes help that gut to heal itself. It’s one of the biggies that the gut needs healing over time.
Patrick: So you got a glutamine powder.
Dr. Wright: Yea you get can get it in powder and use a little spoon and I’ll tell you how many grams in a spoon and so forth. And so the colon turns out that there’s another substance and it’s the Number 1 principle and energy source for the colon and that’s called Butyrate.
Dr. Wright: Yeah and they have that in the health food store under a variety of names like calcium butyrate and sodium butyrate, B-U-T-Y-R-A-T-E. And if we happen to work with a compounding pharmacist my goodness they even put it in a liquid so a person can take butyrate enemas. Why would anybody want to do that? Well it turns out that there’s study, for example, with ulcer colitis where people were taking these enemas with this natural substance called butyrate and their colitis did significantly better. Now butyrate’s the stuff that gives goat cheese its wonderful pungent smell. It’s a natural molecule and I’ve not seen anybody put that in a powder yet just the liquids and the compounding pharmacies and the capsules that people can take. But another thing about butyrate it’s a cancer preventing agent it’s one of several that reduces the risk of cancer of the colon.
We all know that Vitamin D does that, we all know that folate reduces risk of cancer of the colon. And we all know that calcium along with Vitamin D has an extra kick, but what’s not so well known is if you work with a doctor who does natural medicine, whether it’s an MD or ND or one of the other practitioners that have natural medicine, there’s actually a test one can get done. It’s still best not to mention that too much but it’s a still test and they check for butyrate because butyrate is produced normally.
By normal intestinal bacteria out of solely digested food fiber, so for digesting our food incomes lately, which many of us aren’t when we get older and the right little bacteria down there, which many of us don’t have if we’ve taken too many antibiotics, but if all of that comes together there is a substantial amount of butyrate produced naturally inside the colon and we don’t have to go taken in any. But if one of those factors is off we’re not digesting proper, we don’t have the right bacteria down there, the butyrate and the colon goes low and you know that’s been identified as a risk factor for colon cancer not enough internally produced butyrate.
Patrick: So you can actually put the butyrate up the balm if you want.
Dr. Wright: Yes you need to otherwise you can swallow it or in the long run the best thing to do is make sure you got healthy intestinal micro flora and make sure all the veggie fiber’s being digested. And all of that is easily and relatively inexpensively tested with any doctor who is skilled and knowledgeable in natural nutritional medicine. And I bet you if you tell your listeners how to find such a doctor don’t you Patrick?
Patrick: Yeah we work on it.
Dr. Wright: There you go.
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Patrick: Talking with Dr. Jonathan Wright he’s authored over 11 books over the years www.tahomaclinic.com, he’s in Renton Washington. The pictures on your Web site Doc looks like you have a beautiful layout there mountains and the whole thing.
Dr. Wright: Well the mountains we can see from the clinic on a sunny day but you know how many sunny days we don’t get up here in the Seattle area Patrick.
Patrick: Not a lot.
Dr. Wright: But we all do have to make up for our Vitamin D insufficiency in our area.
Patrick: Well let’s talk about that because my head’s about to explode about Vitamin D. I need to ask you because we’ve done so many shows and I’ve been looking forward to getting your opinion. What do you think about the work of Trevor Marshall and this Marshall Protocol?
Dr. Wright: All right. You may have to remind me about that because I know of so many protocols and sometimes I forget which one’s which.
Patrick: Okay this one is they’re suggesting that over the last four or five years we have found heretofore unknown bacteria with the work of Lita Mattman I think.
Dr. Wright: Oh Lita Mattman sure.
Patrick: Lita Mattman her work with the L forms and these stealth bacteria they lose their cell walls, they hide in the microfacies and they turn off the Vitamin D receptor and they’re really bad boys. And these guys go in with a drug called Benacar which I’m sure you know about. And they also do a low dosing pulsing menta cycling every other day. They stun these bacteria than the immune system can go after that. They don’t take Vitamin D because they say it’s a secosteroid which dampens the immune system and in this protocol they want the immune system to be active.
A lot of people, thousands have been doing really amazing things getting rid of arthritis and stuff killing these bacteria but they also go through quite a bit of herx seen some real healing crisis because when you kill these bad boys the body doesn’t like it. So what do you think about that basic paradigm I laid out? Do you think it’s practical that they could be onto something it’s about 10 years old?
Dr. Wright: Well when you started going through the menta cycling process and so forth, okay I know what’s going on here.
Patrick: You know what you know yeah.
Dr. Wright: I got to say that without substantially more evidence that there isn’t a better natural way I really can’t subscribe to that. Menta cycling is certainly a natural molecule, or at least the basic tip for cycling menta cycling may be a patented takeoff I’d have to go look that up, because we know it comes from the mole. That’s true but the private body of Vitamin D is not what nature or creation intended. I don’t care whether it’s nature or creation, once again let’s see the Garden of Eden and Adam and Eve got plenty of sunshine didn’t they and that made sunshine in their skins and if creation had intended us not to have Vitamin D in us we’d all be packaged in black shrink wrap.
Patrick: Yeah like the sun would be just a big joke right.
Dr. Wright: Yeah.
Patrick: A big cosmic joke.
Dr. Wright: And the same thing goes for antievolution the first skeletons of ancient – can we say man anymore Patrick on the radio or do we have to say person?
Patrick: Well either one Doc its okay.
Dr. Wright: Either one’s okay.
Patrick: It’s all right.
Dr. Wright: You’re not a PC radio guy.
Patrick: No I’m not.
Dr. Wright: Oh okay. The first skeleton in ancient man were mostly dug up or are mostly dug up from Africa and you can’t tell me that that’s not a sunny area and that people didn’t get plenty of sun. So I cannot go along at this time with anything that deprives us of Vitamin D.
Patrick: What do you think about his, and they say they have peer review studies that back up the idea that these bacteria actually turn off the Vitamin D receptors to kind of get the immune system not good enough to kill them.
Dr. Wright: Well.
Dr. Wright: It’s possible but again I’d need to go back and review that science.
Dr. Wright: And I’d also be wondering why is that those bacteria get into some people and reportedly shot off their D receptors and they don’t get into other people? What is it that these other people who don’t get those bacteria they have in their bodies they keep them from coming in, in the first place, and reportedly shutting off D receptors. That’s the direction I’d be going just like Dr. Brzezinski down there in Texas went in the direction of what is it that people without cancer have that people with cancer don’t have? And my goodness he came up with antineoplastons and started using them and they’re actually effective for a lot of people. That’s the direction I’d go.
Patrick: Yeah. Well in your experience and you do a lot of science do you think that there are bacteria and viruses; let’s just stick with bacteria, that the immune system is not clever enough to get? I mean I don’t know if the word clever is good Dr. Wright. What would be a better word that are unable to get?
Dr. Wright: I’d say that the immune systems who don’t pick up certain bacteria viruses either have been deprived of these substance or energy, they need to work properly and keep the bacteria out or there’s something else going on because unless it’s something that everybody gets and everybody either suffer and dies from it there’s got to be a reason why some people get it and some people don’t and we cannot blame that totally on genetics.
Patrick: Yeah I don’t like it when they blame stuff on genetics it’s almost like saying “Well we don’t really know so it’s genetics.” So what about this audio immune paradigm? We’ve had people over the last few years say “Well I’m not sure that the body that’s stupid that it actually attacks itself.” And you know the Trevor Marshall Protocol people are saying well that’s right because these little bacteria that we didn’t know were there, these Lita Mattman cell wall deficient you know the L forms are actually in the tissue right, thyroid, joints and that’s what the immune system is going after. It’s not really going after itself. Do you think the immune system will actually attack itself?
Dr. Wright: Of course it will if it’s fooled into doing it.
Patrick: How would it be fooled into doing it?
Dr. Wright: Well let me give you an example. Here we are in The Netherlands and we’re researchers checking into kids who are newly diagnosed with Type 1 Diabetes.
Dr. Wright: And there’s 180 of them or so and we figure out that they are all, and I did say all, intensely allergic to a fraction of cow’s milk. Okay so we figure out way. Why does that have anything to do with Type 1 Diabetes? And some real smart scientist figures out that that fraction of cow’s milk has a configuration that is precisely identical to the eyelet cell membrane.
Patrick: Oh it’s identical to the membrane.
Dr. Wright: Yeah. It’s not identical to the whole membrane there’s a sequence of amino acids in that milk protein that is the very same sequence that is in the membrane, not the whole membrane, but the sequence as part of the membrane of the eyelet cell. So when the body mounts this intense allergic reaction, and we all do believe in allergic reactions I think…
Dr. Wright: …against milk why it forms an antibody and that antibody is against that sequence. And just by an incredible consequence not in nature there frequently reputations by n o coincidence there happens to be that same sequence in the wall of the eyelet cell and Bingo the antibody is attached to the islet cells and the islet cells die and now we’ve got Type 1 Diabetes. But if we kept the cow’s milk out of the children where it doesn’t belong in the first place it never would have happened. Remember a cow’s milk goes in little cows human milk goes in little humans, etc.
Patrick: So the cells that mimic the cells in the milk are they in the pancreas, is that’s what happening?
Dr. Wright: No.
Dr. Wright: The milk was swallowed it got digested.
Dr. Wright: This particular person was allergic to cow’s milk.
Dr. Wright: Not all this particular person was.
Patrick: Their body just didn’t like it for whatever reason.
Dr. Wright: And the body didn’t like the milk and went into making antibodies. And again the antibody is designed to fight the milk but just happens to do what scientist call Cross-React with the pancreatic island cell.
Patrick: Oh. And so the immune system is trying to get rid of the antibody.
Dr. Wright: No the antibody is trying to get rid of the allergen.
Patrick: The antibody is trying to get rid of the allergen.
Dr. Wright: Which is the milk.
Patrick: Which is the milk.
Dr. Wright: And so it also unfortunately since that’s designed it locks onto the pancreatic island cell.
Patrick: On the island cell which is just like the middle.
Dr. Wright: Milk allergen yeah.
Patrick: Oh wow that’s pretty weird. So what about like in arthritis Doc? We’ve suspected for a long time that there was an affection at the root of this, does the immune system attack the joints and stuff and collagen and?
Dr. Wright: I would not be surprised at all if there is a sequence in the bacterial wall that is very much like the sequence in the synovial of the joint. Now there’s a fairly famous professor he’s not with us anymore Roger Wyburn -Mason who started out in England I believe and was able to culture out a sort of an amoeba from the joints that people with rheumatoid arthritis, the little amoeba but it’s called a naegleria. And he found that if he did something which stays in the patent medicine world, I’m not sure I would do this, but he used a certain sort of amebicide on these folks and he had to have them take doses were high enough to make them barf every day but it cured their rheumatoid arthritis in many cases with an amebicide.
Dr. Wright: And then there was physician from Alabama who had his own rheumatoid arthritis cures us that way his name is Gus Prosch. Gus is no longer with us darn it but he went back to Alabama, changed his whole clinic to treat rheumatoid arthritis and for years, well nearly two decades. He had people coming to Alabama from all over the country for this special amebicide make you throw up treatment of rheumatoid arthritis. And it wasn’t covered by anybody’s insurance so why did people keep coming because a significant percentage got cured, and I do mean cured. So Gus isn’t with us anymore but what I’m agreeing with you about is that it does appear that more than one arthritis has to do with an infection that’s why tetracycline probably works.
Patrick: Can you walk us through the infection and then how it works with the immune system or not, and then how the arthritis begins which in your opinion?
Dr. Wright: No I’m afraid that the whole sequence of that is not worked out.
Patrick: Oh we just don’t know.
Dr. Wright: We don’t know.
Patrick: I thought you doctors knew everything.
Dr. Wright: Oh that’s next week. Tune in next week folks.
Patrick: Tune in next week for Dr. Wright Knows Everything. That’s so funny. Well I’m glad you don’t know I’m clueless Doc. So we just don’t know. So with autoimmune issues, and there seems to be a lot they could all be different and varied of why the immune system is doing what it thinks it’s supposed to do, it’s not that it’s stupid but it’s getting tricked into because whatever these things are mimicking maybe foods and stuff.
Dr. Wright: There’s a lot of mimicking that goes on in nature. You’ve heard of chameleons haven’t you?
And they can mimic their backgrounds and nobody will eat them they just literally change color and mimic something. And there is something called Molecular Mimicry where this molecule is almost exactly the same as that molecule over there and it kind of tricks the body into doing things because of this mimicking that’s going on. Mimicking is a natural process, sorry about that, and it’s involved in health and disease too.
Patrick: Wow very interesting.
Dr. Wright: Now one of the things may say about autoimmune…
Dr. Wright: …and that is there’s a whole cluster of auto immune diseases that appear to be triggered by the gluten that’s found in wheat and other grain.
Dr. Wright: In fact all other grains except for corn and rice. One of the things our clinic does, and thank you for mentioning Tahoma Clinic, is we see an awful lot of people with autoimmune disease. Why? Especially since our clinic doesn’t take in insurance dollars we work for our patients we do not work for the federal government nor insurance companies, so we don’t take any of that insurance stuff. Because we do so well with helping people settle down their autoimmune diseases. I didn’t say cure them every time but we sure do help people get off a lot of their patent medicines and knock down their disease process a good number of notches.
Now the reason I’m bringing that up is not as a clinic advertisement for something that people can do for themselves. If you’ve got yourself an autoimmune disease please get off all the gluten and gliadin and just see what’s happens; just that one simple step.
Patrick: Get off it all.
Dr. Wright: Get off it all got to gluten free. And it does take months but the majority of autoimmune diseases, I did not say all, but let’s take Graves Disease, let’s take Hashimoto’s, which I know you’re interested in…
Dr. Wright: …that autoimmune disease. Lupus particularly.
Dr. Wright: There’s a number Sjogren Syndrome. The list goes on for about 20 different autoimmune diseases that are in the same grouping as gluten sensitivity. Now there’s actually a book on all this it’s written by a Dr. Christopher Reading.
Dr. Wright: You call it Reading I guess, and one can get it from the Price-Prottenger Nutrition Institute out in California it talks about gluten, gliadin and autoimmune diseases. So people can do that for themselves at home. I know not eating is more difficult sometimes than eating but still you don’t have to come to a clinic to get off all the gluten gliadin and see what’s happening.
Patrick: What’s gliadin Doc?
Dr. Wright: What’s that?
Patrick: What’s gliadin?
Dr. Wright: Gliadin is a very, very closely associated protein to gluten. Whenever you find gluten you always find gliadin, whenever you find gliadin you always find gluten, they’re entwined around each other. And the very most sensitive test for sensitivity of those two things is actually an anti-gliadin antibody, but remember there’s always gluten where there’s gliadin, that’s done by a laboratory in Texas. How do you like that we’re promoting Texas a lot today Patrick.
Patrick: What’s the name of it?
Dr. Wright: It’s called Enterolab.
Patrick: I was going to ask you about that. So that’s a good one.
Dr. Wright: You bet you.
Patrick: E-N-T-E-R O-L-A-B.
Dr. Wright: E-N-T-E-R O-L-A-B. It sounds Shakespearean you know.
Dr. Wright: Enterolab.
Patrick: And you send them some poop and they check it out.
Dr. Wright: You got it. And they’ve got a Web site and you can read up on their services. And no I do not work for them in any matter at all but we sure do send them our test for sensitivities to gluten and gliadin because they find more than anybody and when people pay attention to their test about 95% of everybody does better.
Patrick: I was looking at some gluten free chicken tenders, you know, organic things breaded in gluten free but it was breaded with some corn. And I thought man I thought corn was like one of the big guy bad boys too.
Dr. Wright: It is.
Patrick: Why is corn so weird for so many people?
Dr. Wright: Well its real simple cavemen didn’t eat grain.
Patrick: Yeah we just weren’t meant to eat all these grains were we?
Dr. Wright: Well look at, neither Adam or Eve nor the evolving caveman which era ate grains. They didn’t grains and they also didn’t eat milk and dairy because no self-respecting cow would stand still for a caveman to milk it, besides the [inaudible 41:00.7] was too small. So so-called Agricultural Diet has only been around as far as we know for about 10,000 years. It started in Mesopotamia, started in Southeast Asia and there’s been people on the planet for as far as we know going back 200,000 or 300,000 years. Unless you’re that Irish Bishop who said that human history started 8000 years ago, that’s one I don’t think I can buy. And so people have been eating no agricultural products for all that time and then just 10,000 years ago they started coming in. I’m sorry but we just haven’t all got used to it.
Patrick: So you’re more of a guy who would be more of a Paleo guy rather than a Prottenger Western Price guy? In other words without maybe the meat, grass root meats and vegetables without the dairy.
Dr. Wright: Yes and that’s particular pertinent to anybody who has Type 2 Diabetes. That is absolutely the best diet in the world for people with Type 2 Diabetes, but notice I didn’t say it was the best diet in the world for everybody.
Patrick: The Paleo is for Type 2. And then why wouldn’t it be good for some people some people need dairy?
Dr. Wright: No not to say they eat dairy, to some people dairy just doesn’t bother them.
Patrick: Yeah it just doesn’t bother them.
Dr. Wright: Yeah and so it doesn’t bother them, it taste good, why not?
Patrick: Yeah I mean raw goat’s milk or something like that what could hurt right?
Dr. Wright: Yeah.
Patrick: I guess it got good fats and good stuff in there for it.
Dr. Wright: Well it is, particularly if it’s as raw as you’re saying.
Patrick: Sure yeah. What about this iodine thing? We had a gentleman on last week Dr. Dotties Karaisn and he’s talking about Hashimoto’s as being about 90% of all of the low, what gets presented as low thyroid in suggesting that the autoimmune system attacks the TPO kind of in the tissues of thyroid. And it’s really Hashimoto’s event and if you take thyroid that activates the TPOs, iodine rather, and it’s even worse if you take iodine. So now our heads are about to explode in this idea thing too you know. It’s like gosh just when you think it’s safe to go in the water man.
Dr. Wright: Well actually I’m a much bigger fan of iodine that I’m not a big fan of iodine. If we all had efficient iodine in there we would drop the risk to breast cancer, for ladies anyway, we would drop the risk for breast cancer dramatically. And I’m not kidding you there’s bunches of evidence to that effect.
Patrick: Any downsides of taking it?
Dr. Wright: Sure there is we can take too much iodine and mess with our thyroid glands.
Dr. Wright: That happens to be true also so we need to be working, again with that skilled and knowledgeable medicine practitioner who can say “For you this meta iodine is safe” and in the past that it isn’t. Now let’s get back to Hashimoto’s for a minute.
Dr. Wright: And that is it seems to me it’s a lot of immunity in there. And one of the things that we find out over and over again if we diagnose Hashimoto’s, and remember Hashimoto’s is only diagnosed if you’ve run your blood test for antibodies and that’s a TPO…
Dr. Wright: …and the TTA.
Dr. Wright: And if you have elevated antibodies and you got Hashimoto’s and if you don’t have related antibodies – well you don’t have Hasimoto’s right now anyway you might have it 10 years from now but you don’t have it now – so anyway if you find those elevated antibodies everybody goes off the gluten lid and sorry about that you’re off. And funny thing just that step alone and those antibodies start to subside. And a good proportion of everybody given a year or two they subside to normal they’re gone.
Where did the autoimmunity go, where did the Hashimoto’s go? It went down the tube with the gluten gliadin. It doesn’t happen every time it happened better than half the time. Now some European researches came up with another interesting finding. They had people with elevated TPO antibodies to take selenium and what do you know, and then micro doses too no high doses and what do you know the TPO antibody drops significantly…
Patrick: They took what?
Dr. Wright: …and the majority of the people treated as a TPO antibody.
Patrick: What did that take?
Dr. Wright: Selenium the mineral.
Patrick: Oh selenium.
Dr. Wright: Yeah. They were having them take 200, 300 micrograms a day which is safe for just about anybody to use and it drops. Now there are theoretical explanation, although they did not have total proof, was that they had found that in association with Hashimoto’s a virus. And here we are.
Patrick: Sure back there.
Dr. Wright: Back to that. And it’s the type of virus that’s inhibited by selenium. And in fact many virus’, and I did say many I certainly didn’t say all, many virus are indeed inhibited by selenium and they thought let’s try to inhibit and maybe it’ll work, and it did for a number of people.
Patrick: So do you think that as we move forward were going to find that a lot of this stuff there’s going to be an infection at the root of it all?
Dr. Wright: There’s going to be an infection associated with it.
Dr. Wright: Now remember I keep saying associated.
Dr. Wright: Because if we’re in a perfect world we probably wouldn’t be here at all but…
Dr. Wright: …in a perfect world, or let’s say in a real, real healthy world, most of those viruses and bacterias and so forth which are on the planet, we’re on the planet, we all got to coexist, that they just wouldn’t bother us any.
Patrick: Because you’d just be strong enough to eat them up.
Dr. Wright: Well our immune systems would fight them off.
Dr. Wright: They wouldn’t catch them in the first place.
Patrick: So you mean even like the Lita Mattman’s work and all that if we really get good at it maybe they’re just going to fight off these bad boys.
Dr. Wright: Yeah. Again we’d have to all work on it and work on it for a long time but we’d fight off most of it. I’m not going to tell you all of them but most of them. And by the way I love Lita Mattman’s work she’s a real pioneer.
Patrick: So everything the stress, the bad food, the poor digestion, the EMF, God knows what, the late night news is all adding to our immune system issues.
Dr. Wright: Oh absolutely.
Dr. Wright: I’m just working with a person who hasn’t come to the clinic very often. He sent me a letter he told me “I learned to cure my insomnia.” I said “What did you do?” He says “I unplugged my computer wireless router.” He said “My insomnia went away for the first time in a decade.”
Patrick: Yeah. We just did a show on it Doc and boy I think some of the upshots or down shots of this whole wireless thing it could be huge that we have no idea.
Dr. Wright: We just don’t know what all those frequencies do.
Patrick: No we have no idea. We received an email from Bob in San Diego when we’re going to talk you about the HCL thing in the gut, and he says that about two or three times a year he starts to get really severe pains in his stomach lower intestines and its like if he could just fart – excuse me – he would feel better. It’s like these are gas pains and it comes and goes in about a week and he’s never figured out what causes it. Do you have some clues for him to look at?
Dr. Wright: The only clue I’ve got is check with the doctor who’s skilled and knowledgeable in natural medicine because there are a number of things that could be leading to that. It could be an upset intestinal micro flaw, it could be something he’s eating, and it could be a digestive secretion is off. There’s a lot of could-be’s here.
Patrick: On the digestive secretion do we want to take like good, maybe bitter herbs, or whatever our enzymes are, along with the HCL if we need the HCL together or are they two different things going on?
Dr. Wright: Well talk about somebody skilled and knowledgeable in natural medicine Patrick, nice going. Over in Holland they happen to have a bitter’s hour in the taverns over there, the only country I know of that has that. Its 5:00 at night and usually people show up to share a glass of bitters and these are the alcoholic bitters of course.
Patrick: Of course.
Dr. Wright: Are all people who are old enough to have grey hairs. So they usually do and they drink their bitters with their buddies and they go on home to dinner, so I guess it’s mostly guys. It turns out that bitters stimulate the production of stomach acid.
Dr. Wright: And therefore if we swallow the things and our stomachs are on the weak side and are likely to be in our 60s and when we are 60 it stimulates more acid and maybe we wouldn’t have to take hydrochloric acid and Pepcid you see. Yeah you remember that famous research back in the 19th Century with the French fellow who had the front half of his abdomen skin and muscle blown off…
Dr. Wright: …and they couldn’t sew him back together. Alexis St. Martin, look it up online, Alexis St. Martin. So they stitched him up the best they could but it left a hole where doctors put a flap over it and they could see into his stomach and study his digestive processes.
Patrick: Oh great.
Dr. Wright: Yeah. And so there’s actually books on this where some doctors studying for 10, 15 years he’d feed him this feed him that, open the flap, look and see what the stomach was doing. Now that was one of the places where it was confirmed that bitters stimulated the stomach acid, but funny thing putting bitters on the tongue and leaving them there stimulated stomach acid better and swallowing the bitters.
Patrick: I’ll be darn.
Dr. Wright: It’s a nerve reflex thing.
Patrick: There’s a fellow out near you a friend of ours Michael King Pyroclay.com he’s got some really nice digestive bitters and that’s his contingent as well. I think he’s out in Washington. Speaking of the stomach thing did you happen to see that video about the food, about the corn, and they actually did the same thing to a poor cow and they put him in a lab and they cut open his tummy, and he ate corn. And they saw that he didn’t digest it. And the farmer said “Well you know what if we didn’t kill these cows for meat they would just eventually die at an early age for giving them this corn.” Unbelievable.
Dr. Wright: Yeah well…
Patrick: Food First I think was the name of the video, Food First.
Dr. Wright: Well keep in mind corn is not a natural diet for cows either.
Dr. Wright: Cows have been wondering around the planet eating grass for hundreds of thousands of years before some fool decided to feed them corn. And they decided to do that because it fattened them up quicker and they could sell them for more. But if you take a look at the fatty acid composition of free range cattle, little doggies down the range and big doggies too that aren’t fed corn, they have substantially more Omega 3 fatty acids than the grain fed ones who have way more Omega 6 fatty acids. In fact Patrick, feeding cattle grains which started in 19th Century in the stockyards, was one of several contributors to the epidemic of cardiovascular disease.
Now sure there’s margin and there’s all of that sugar in the diet and lack of exercises and so forth, but if you take an entire meat supply, an entire animal protein supply that has been tilted more towards Omega 3 fatty acids, I didn’t say entirely it’s not a fish, but it has much more Omega 3 fatty acid, and then you feed it grain and suddenly it shifts almost entirely to Omega 6 fatty acids we then just switch to animal protein supply to a pro inflammatory and it’s been balanced pro anti-inflammatory for hundreds of thousands of years before then no wonder people are getting real sick.
Patrick: Wow! Do you think there’s an infection component then associated with arthrosclerosis as well?
Dr. Wright: Maybe there’s a tiny bit of evidence in that direction but you can so often clear it up without paying any attention to infection, that’s why I’m saying maybe. By the way, are we kind of to an end of an hour I want to mention something about that other book you mentioned…
Patrick: Oh yeah we got a few minutes I mean it just depends on…
Dr. Wright: Okay.
Patrick: How long do you have?
Dr. Wright: Well I’ve got to get to writing that’s my weekend newsletter and I sort of keep myself on a short leash there otherwise…
Patrick: How about we do about five more minutes?
Dr. Wright: Looking at the clock here we can do 10.
Patrick: Oh I love it. Okay 10 because I got a lot of stuff I want to cover. Okay so one let’s talk about then the hormone thing. Now there are people out there in the last few years that’s saying this whole bioidentical thing man is really like throwing mud up against the wall, you better not be doing this it’s dangerous. I mean you were actually one of the guys that were involved with it early on in 1983. Do you think its spooky work?
Dr. Wright: Of course not, in fact…
Patrick: Like a voodoo, you know, doing these bioidentical hormones.
Dr. Wright: Not at all.
Patrick: Not at all.
Dr. Wright: In fact the people who say there’s no evidence haven’t bothered to do their homework. And I’ll say that again they haven’t bothered to do their homework. Now if they don’t want to do a whole lot of homework they can go to just one place. Our colleague Cant Holtors, that’s H-O-L-T-O-R-S.
Patrick: Cant Holtors.
Dr. Wright: Cant Holtors had an article published in the Peer Review Medical Journal called “Post Graduate Medicine” in January of last year, January of 2009. And Cant included and reviewed 196 scientific papers that show beyond a doubt that bioidentical hormones are not only more safe but more effective than patented medicine pseudo hormones. Not Cant doesn’t go to the point of calling them patented medicine pseudo hormones because it’s a professional journal and he has to be polite. But I know you’re polite Patrick but I don’t always have to be polite and I just like to call them as I see them. They’re patented medicines and not hormones so we have to call them pseudo hormones.
Anyway Cant Holtors post graduate medicine 2009 and the title is something about safety and advocacy of bioidentical hormones, 196 citations. And by the way, that 196 citations is just gaming the surface. I work with some researchers who are continually going through the literature, they’re paid to do so they’re not volunteers and grad students will do anything legal for money, you’ve been there before. So they go through the literature for us and they glean all the stuff on bioidentical hormones and make abstract and the list goes on and on. There’s got to be 2000, 3000 applications or more that just we’ve collected. So no it’s not only more effective than pseudo hormones of the patented medicine variety it’s safer. And that’s the FDA has to be attacking them because the big patented medicine companies are just so scared they’re going to lose their pseudo hormone marketing.
Patrick: Now you have a book called “Natural Hormone Replacement for Women over 45”.
Dr. Wright: As you know has morphed into another book which was just published.
Patrick: Oh which is?
Dr. Wright: Well I apologize for the title the publishers have to sell books I guess so they put this title on it. It’s called “Stay Young and Sexy with Bioidentical Hormones”.
Patrick: Oh you put sex in there good. “Stay Young and Sexy with Bioidentical”. Now my question to you dear doctor is now where did God screw up here? I mean just because you’re 45 doesn’t mean that you can be young and sexy. Why would you have to take something thank you very much?
Dr. Wright: God didn’t screw up we did sir. Here’s how we screwed up.
Patrick: It’s always us Doc.
Dr. Wright: Oh that’s real easy. The incident with osteoporosis in the 19th Century was very low. It was there but it was very low. There was so very few cardiovascular diseases in the 19th Century that the first cardiologist Paul Dudley White hung out his shingle in 1915, that’s the 20th Century. There weren’t any cardiovascular specialists in the 19th Century.
Dr. Alzheimer observed the very first cases of rare problem called Alzheimer’s Disease in the 19th Century. All right let’s fast forward to the 20th and 21st Centuries. Suddenly an epidemic of cardiovascular disease, we’ve got ladies getting osteoporosis are left and right and we have men getting osteoporosis right and left. What I mean by that? Well men are slower than women just ask any lady.
Patrick: Yeah we’re slower.
Dr. Wright: We’re definitely slower and so we don’t get our osteoporosis to when we’re in our 70s and by the time we’re in our late 70s well we got as much osteoporosis as the lady’s got. So we do catch up but we’re just slower. And according to the National Institute on Aging if we can believe any taxpayer funded outfit, on their Web site it says that if we survive to age 65 we have a 45% risk, and I just said 45% and I’m just copying that from these people, of getting Alzheimer’s by the time we’re 85. Oh my gosh.
Patrick: I hate when that happens.
Dr. Wright: Yeah I hate it when that happens too but he won’t remember so who cares. But we didn’t have that going on. Now where is that coming from? Well you just named off the factories awhile back Patrick it’s coming from refined foods, it’s coming from chemically poisoned food, it’s coming from chloride and the chloride in the water, it’s coming from 50,000 pollutants being spilled into the atmosphere without safety checks first every year…
Dr. Wright: …according to another government agency. It’s coming genetically modified microid. It’s coming from frequencies that humans have not been exposed to. I’m sorry we do not have a cell phone tower in the Garden of Eden.
Dr. Wright: We just didn’t.
Dr. Wright: It’s coming from all those places. So we’re the ones who have created we collectively, you didn’t do it Patrick I didn’t do it and your listeners didn’t do it, none of us can take totally personal responsibility for this, but as humans we’re the ones who created this environment where we’re going to be osteoproduct without any memory and dying of heart attacks so we’ve got to defend ourselves.
Patrick: So then the bioidentical is just a way to kind of help the body deal with these things.
Dr. Wright: The bioidentical is a way to help the body deal with these things. If we did not have all of that going on most of us we wouldn’t even have to think about it, but the bioidenticals they do and it’s documented it’s not maybe. They cut the risk of cardiovascular disease in most men and women, of course estrogen for the ladies and testosterone for men, dramatically. They do eliminate it but they cut it dramatically. They cut the risk of Alzheimer’s down to what it was in Dr. Alzheimer’s time.
I’m not kidding there is not only epidemiologic evidence there is hard wired look at it under the microscope evidence that shows that testosterone for men and estrogen for ladies cleans up production of the all that to sell you the garbage that creates Alzheimer’s Disease. That doesn’t clean it up 100% but it cleans it up, I’m not kidding you, 90% better than if we don’t have the bioidentical hormone. I did say 90% not 9%, that’s from Rockefeller University 2002 by the way looking under the microscope at neuron. And it also helps us not get osteoporosis.
Now while we’re at it there’s an extra bonus for ladies and it’s not generally known but among nonsmokers, I did say nonsmokers, there are nine women who get COPD Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease for every one man. Smokers it’s about equal. Now cigarettes that’s a different story that’s another way we mess ourselves up, but if we’re nonsmokers women get nine times as much fuel PD as men. How does that happen? Some researchers at a lung research institute in North Carolina figure out exactly how it turns out that estrogen is good for ladies lung. It helps to increase the activity of the very enzymes that exchanges carbon dioxide for oxygen. In fact estrogen Al Gore ought to be against because it increases the carbon dioxide we put out. Duh come on Al get off it.
But what’s the point in that? Well it’s pretty simple when a woman’s pregnant she’s eating for two isn’t she. She’s also breathing for two she needs more oxygen for the baby. And so uniquely estrogen helps a woman’s lung get that oxygen in better. And what happens after menopause our lungs aren’t going to work as well because estrogen is a big help for women’s lungs and make a lot of difference for men. So there’s many things with these exactly identical things your hormones will do to defend us against modern life a defense we did not need several hundred years ago.
Patrick: Okay in the couple of minutes remaining I just want to touch on salt. I know that it’s kind of a fun subject. We’ve had the pleasure to have Dr. Hal Huggins on three or four times and he’s a trip as you know.
Dr. Wright: Oh yeah.
Patrick: Dr. Huggins and he’s a big prominent of just having regular old Morton’s pickling and canning salt, not the Morton’s seal salt but the picking and canning which he says is clean stuff, rather than sea salt. And he says he can prove through lots of blood chemistries that you’re actually sodium potassium ratio gets better eating that salt than seal salt, which everybody pays $12 dollars a pound for or whatever. And I’ve been doing it for about a year and you know what so far he’s right. I mean I got off sea salt on my pickling and canning and my ratio is in the stuff with sodium potassium is actually getting more inline according to Dr. Huggins chemistry which he’s using the Melvin Payne stuff.
Dr. Wright: Sure Melvin Payne yeah.
Patrick: And I know that you’ve also come out with salt. Is it similar? What’s your theory about the salt thing?
Dr. Wright: Well I don’t have to have a theory I just have to observe the whole nation of four million people over 30 years. And no I did not do the observing I read the scientific research report of the people who did do the observing and oh my goodness this one sort of came out of left field because it’s not patentable and so there’s no patent medicine company pushing it on us. And the media, I’m sorry guys, but there’s very, very few investigative reporters in the science field who really, really dig. I wish I couldn’t say that but I can. Here’s what happened.
Over in Finland in the 1970s, late ’70s and ’80s, they decided to go on a program in Finland to reduce the risk of various diseases. And what did they do? Well they had this nationwide advertising campaign that told everybody eat less saturated fat and eat more…
Dr. Wright: …saturated fat and so forth and we’ve all heard that one.
Dr. Wright: And they couldn’t enforce it but they went on advertising campaign. They also introduced nationwide a type of salt that was used in homes, in hospitals, in McDonald’s in everywhere else in Finland, unless you smuggled in the regular kind of salt, and this kind of salt was made up of a balance of magnesia chloride, potassium chloride, sodium chloride, for whatever reason maybe they were reading Linus Pauling they put a little lysine in it. Lysine helps against cardiovascular disease according to Linus.
Okay. So in 1996 out comes a 20 year report on this program. And the 20 year report said, now hold onto your chair Patrick and listeners too I had to hold onto my chair when I read it, did I read that right? The 20 year report said that in the entire nation of Finland since the introduction of those two things over 20 years there have been a 60% reduction, that’s 60% reduction in mortality from cardiovascular disease and stroke. Whoa 60% how many people in Finland? Well three and a half to four million.
Patrick: What do you suppose that’s about?
Dr. Wright: Well here’s what they said it was about. The researchers said this, or they wrote this I should say, they said “Of this 60% reduction we have been able to attribute some 10% to 15% that’s 6% to 8% to patent medicines.” Although they called them pharmaceutical drugs they’re really patented medicines. Ten to fifteen percent is attributable to the patented medicines. The rest of those 60%, which would be the other 80% to 85%, is attributed to dietary changes and the use of this particular salt. Whoa.
Now if somebody preaches at you that you shouldn’t eat as much saturated fat you should eat more saturated fat you probably will pay some attention, but there’s no way that that can be policed is there. However, if somebody makes this other kind of salt mandatory throughout the nation of Finland and you just can’t get any other kind of salt that’s probably what you’re going to use. And also because stuff tastes just as good as regular salt if not better that’s what most people tell me. Okay that was in 1996.
Now here in 2006 comes out by the same researchers another report. We have to hold onto our chairs even tighter. I just love the way they put this they actually wrote in the abstract. They wrote “Despite the fact that the average amount of smoking per person in Finland has gone up and despite the fact that the average person living in Finland is fatter than ever there has now been a 70% reduction in cardio vascular disease mortality and stroke.”
Patrick: They’re still on this salt.
Dr. Wright: And they’re on the dietary advice and they’re still attributing 10% to 15% of the improvement, the 70% improvement now, to the use of patent medications. But the overwhelming amount of the improvement is being attributed by these researchers to the diet change and the use of this salt. Now another thing they point out in the abstract was it 30 years later the average woman living in Finland could expect eight more years of life expectancy Patrick, eight years. And 30 years later the average man in Finland, because us guys are always slower, could expect six more years of longevity.
Now can you imagine a public measure that in a nation of three and a half to four million people reduces mortality by 70% and increases longevity by six to eight years why wasn’t that in the newspapers? I know I’m yelling and screaming but it should have been in everybody’s newspaper.
Patrick: What’s the difference between magnesium chloride and potassium chloride, sodium chloride and like good old dumb old Morton’s the blue box, the lady with the umbrella iodized salt? What’s the difference?
Dr. Wright: That box has got entirely sodium chloride in it.
Patrick: Just sodium chloride right.
Dr. Wright: I know magnesium, I know lysine.
Patrick: Just sodium chloride.
Dr. Wright: It’s all sodium chloride and there’s lots of studies out there, by the way, one from the archive of the internal medicine just two years ago that showed that one can predict whether people get hypertension by the ratio of sodium potassium right in the urine. There are a lot of other supporting evidence but this thing from Finland is just so overwhelming.
Well anyway I’ll mention that I waited for years and years for somebody to bring that salt over from Finland, from Europe for somebody, I was going to recommend it to all my patients. Nobody ever did. Why not? Well remember it’s now been 30 years and if there ever was a patent patents only last 17 years but I don’t think anybody ever bothered to patent this stuff. And so basically it would have been a big marketing effort, etc, etc no patents. So nobody ever brought it over. So I got hold of a company up here in the Northwest called I Use Botanicals and we put together a joint venture and duplicated down to the molecule what’s in the salt. We can do that there’s not a patent on it.
Patrick: I see sure.
Dr. Wright: And put it on the market in the little shaker containers so that folks can if they want to take advantage of this, you might call it this finished miracle although we know what did it.
Patrick: So and can folks get that in the store or is just like on your Web site Wright Salt it’s called, what a great name.
Dr. Wright: Well I have to apologize for the name.
Patrick: I know I understand.
Dr. Wright: I could name stuff after me until I’m dead okay.
Patrick: These marketing people, you know, what are you going to do?
Dr. Wright: No it wasn’t that it was FDA lawyers.
Patrick: Oh you couldn’t say anything else.
Dr. Wright: We tried to name it Heart Salt. Oh no FDA called that negative claim.
Patrick: Heart Salt.
Dr. Wright: We tried to call it longevity salt because of the longevity effect we couldn’t do that. We tried to call it Don’t Die from High Blood Pressure Salt couldn’t do that. We tried to call it all these different names that are 100% the true that as everybody knows you cannot tell the truth in the United States about a health thing unless it’s approved by the FDA.
Dr. Wright: And that’s totally in violation of the First Amendment but I’m sure you’ve talked about that on your…
Patrick: Yes we have.
Dr. Wright: So they finally named it after me and I apologize folks.
Patrick: Magnesium chloride potassium chloride.
Dr. Wright: Sodium chloride.
Patrick: Sodium chloride.
Dr. Wright: With some lysine with a little selenium a little iodine.
Patrick: Oh cool. And it’s available on the Tahoma site www.TahomaClinic.com?
Dr. Wright: Yes one has to go to one of two Web sites.
Dr. Wright: One is Tahoma Dispensary, which is like a health food store in Washington State, www.TahomaDispensary.com. Or one goes to www.Ayush.com.
Dr. Wright: Yes it’s an herbal company they’re from India.
Patrick: And you can get the salt.
Dr. Wright: It’s Ayush Herbs, I was wrong.
Patrick: Ayush Herbs.
Dr. Wright: Ayush Herbs. Just put Ayush Herbs into your search engine or Tahoma Dispensary into your search engine.
Patrick: Real quick a friend a Doc wanted me to ask you a question. Is there an attest for autoimmune allergic reactions, in other words a test for not allergies but autoimmune actions on foods?
Dr. Wright: There’s not one overall test that will tell you if you have an autoimmune disease. There are tests for it appears each and every autoimmune disease, rheumatoid facto for rheumatoid arthritis or CCP antibodies, ANA for Lupus, TPO for thyroid. But I don’t know of any open test that will say you’ve got an autoimmune problem and we just don’t know what it is yet.
Patrick: But so then you’d have to take your particular food like the glute and then do those tests specifically of different foods if you wanted to find out if you had an autoimmune issue of gluten or whatever.
Dr. Wright: An allergy issue. Remember not all allergy issues translate to autoimmune. Some allergies translate to autoimmune.
Patrick: So in the autoimmune issue you physically can’t digest the food right.
Dr. Wright: On the autoimmune issue it’s more you can’t absorb the food.
Patrick: You can’t absorb it.
Dr. Wright: Yeah the gluten lead-in sets up some kind of inflammation and when we run test on people who have gluten gliaden sensitivity, I’ll just say gluten sensitivity I’ll actually leave the gliaden out it confuses people. When we run test on people who have gluten sensitivity they’re chronically, chronically low in minerals and amino acids and folate and all those things because they’re not absorbing them. It’s not a matter of not digesting them.
Dr. Wright: But hydrochloride acid that’s a matter of not digesting stuff.
Patrick: So when you don’t absorb something then you could have an autoimmune issue towards it correct?
Dr. Wright: Well the autoimmune issue leads to the poor absorption. And then when you’re absorbing poorly your body gets fewer and fewer nutrients so your autoimmune disease is just going to go…
Dr. Wright: …wilder and wilder because you don’t have the repair materials to fight.
Patrick: And can we test for that?
Dr. Wright: Not having repair materials sure can.
Patrick: No can we test for the autoimmune issue non-absorption?
Dr. Wright: Sure that’s ways to check for non-absorption is check amino acids in the bloodstream and check minerals in the hair and if we see a large proportion of each one of them low there’s an absorption issue here.
Patrick: Amino acids in the minerals in the hair.
Dr. Wright: Yeah.
Patrick: Well Doc there’s a lot we didn’t get to but it was great fun. Thanks for hanging out with us for over an hour now. And it was really a pleasure having you on. You still do a lot of teaching right?
Dr. Wright: Sure I work with folks at clinic seeing clients three days a week. I teach at seminars. I do some writing, which I’ve got to get to thank you very much Patrick. And one of the things, if you don’t mind me mentioning.
Dr. Wright: I do have a newsletter.
Patrick: Oh yes I was going to ask about that folks can get that right.
Dr. Wright: Yep they can.
Patrick: I get that one. How do they do it?
Dr. Wright: It comes out once a month. Go to Tahoma Clinic not Tahoma Dispensary Web site and there’s a link that will tell you how to get there.
Patrick: All right sir. Dr. Jonathan Wright it’s an honor you keep at it and behave yourself so the federailities don’t knock on your door, you know how that is.
Dr. Wright: Well I’m trying and you better do that too.
Patrick: I am.
Dr. Wright: Watch out for the fairness doctrine fellow.
Patrick: I’m working on that. All right Doc thanks a lot.
Dr. Wright: Okay thanks for having me on Patrick. I appreciate it.
Patrick: It’s an honor sir. Dr. Jonathan Wright. My name is Patrick Timpone. No we got to be fair. We’re fair to all Docs I guess that’s the fairness doctrine isn’t it. Well that was great fun. This is a terrific podcast that you can transfer over to folks and send it to everybody you care about worldwide. Great information here about the gut and hormones, salt and autoimmune stuff a lot of neat ideas from Jonathan Wright. Eleven books and his latest two are on the gut and that’s the one we mentioned and also why stomach acid is good for you and how to stay sexy and all that stuff with the hormones. You can go on Amazon and I’m sure you can find these books.
Okay I will see you then the next time around 10:00 every morning 6:00 on Saturdays. I love you all very much Patrick Timpone. Take care of yourselves.